Wednesday, January 14, 2009

Malaysiakini - Hudud is not necessary for muslims

Hudud laws would have been more acceptable if the countries that implement them are shining examples of advancing and progressive nations. Somehow it appears that only nations that are deemed as failed states and are governed by dictatorial leadership that favoured hudud laws. In those countries where hudud laws were implemented, news of the barbaric punishments have been meted out primarily to seemingly "timid" lawbreakers, such as teenage rape victims and young gay boys. It's not that they are beheading and stoning serial killers and the many alleged "terrorists that have hijacked Islam".

Let's face reality. If the majority of muslims in Malaysia really wanted hudud laws, it would have been implemented long ago. The implementation of an Islamic state is not possible, with Malaysia's secular constitution but at least shades of hudud would have been present.

It is very naive if the hudud supporters believed that the Free People humbly decline hudud laws because we do not wish to have armless thieves and stoned adultress. More potent danger lies in the laws against blasphemers against Islam, as religious clerics would yield great unquestioned power.

For example, the Persatuan Ulama2 Malaysia (PUM) recently made a police report against Malaysiakini for allegedly defaming Islam. I can only imagine, that one of their wet dreams would be, if hudud laws are present, to drag Malaysiakini's staff out to public stadiums and behead them shouting Allahu Akhbar!

Hudud laws can be made into a very powerful weapon to destroy humanity and the country. Not that the laws are not good. It's that the laws can be abused since we are never allowed to question, yet alone challenge, the decisions and opinions of the religious clerics.

Hudud laws give great unchallenged powers to religious clerics.

We can learn from Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (19 May 1881–10 November 1938). He was a Turkish army officer, revolutionary statesman, and founder of the Republic of Turkey as well as its first President.

As the first President of Turkey, Atatürk embarked upon a major programme of political, economic and cultural reforms. An admirer of the Enlightenment, Atatürk sought to transform the ruins of the Ottoman Empire into a modern, democratic, secular, nation-state. The principles of Atatürk's reforms are often referred to as Kemalism and continue to form the political foundation of the modern Turkish state.

Thus, Turkey today stands as a dominantly muslim country but secular. Being one of the most advanced muslim country, we can see a parallel relationship between those nations that adopt secular governance and those that adopt hudud laws.

For the benefit of all Malaysians, including muslims, Malaysia is better off with her current constitution. It may not be perfect, but it can be challenged and modified.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

full agree with ur points, unfortunately some ppl still very childish on this.

Anonymous said...

I believe u'r not a muslim.Even if its implemented in Malaysia,its only for the muslims.So why bother??And moreover its the muslims matter.Its their believe in their religion.They never interfere with others' religion so,what's the problem??To the Muslims Kamal Attaturk of Turkey is not a good example of a muslim.To the muslims ,he is the destroyer of Islam.The present Turkey government is trying to change the ideolgy that Kamal brought to Turkey.Kamal studied in the West so he's westernising Turkey and of course "Westerners"support him totally and made him a legend.He's acutually a "puppet of the West".Why don't you elaborate,how as the president of Turkey,he ruled Turkey?In short,he's comparable to Saddam of Iraq.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous (2nd one). What if a crime is commited by both a muslims and non muslim persons. This is malaysia with already exixting system. We can challenge the courts. It is human who is running the system be it the 'super perfect' Hudud or the English law.
Muslims always see them as superior to others. So are their teachings the cleric etc etc. End of the day it is this human beings with all the weakness who would implement the law. I am yet to be convinced that hudud can solve any problems other than giving the clerics super power over even non Muslims. We will be seeing more body snatching etc cases...etc God forbidden.

You cannot say non Muslims cannot say anything,Incidently we have more knowlege than you muslims have because we are allowed to read and study any religious scriptures without some 'state baby sitter' telling you that you cannot read any other scriptures.
You minght think your sambal belacan is the best in the world. But we non muslims taste sambal belacan, fish n chips, cha kuay teow, dahl curry etc etc and so we can tell you which is 'REALLY' better/ tastier!

John Bastille said...

Anon 6:54

Even if its implemented in Malaysia,its only for the muslims.

This is a fallacy. In all Islamic states that implement hudud laws, all citizens become subject to it. A country can not have not sets of criminal laws that carry different standards.

Thus, all will be affected by hudud laws, directly as well as indirectly.

tzul said...

"Thus, Turkey today stands as a dominantly muslim country but secular. Being one of the most advanced muslim country, we can see a parallel relationship between those nations that adopt secular governance and those that adopt hudud laws."

I believe you're sincere in making the above statement. But you reached an overly simplified conclusion.

Would you care to comment on Zimbabwe? Or Congo? Or (pick another African Nation)?

Conclusion: To be a successful country, one must not only be secular, but one must take ones nation out of the African Continent.

Of course, they'll be those who will add another criteria: Don't be Black.

Anonymous said...

The US is a secular country as is Canada, Germany and even the UK (even though the established church is the Church of England). Secularism is not opposed to religion. Secularism can co-exist side by side with religion. Secularism only makes a DISTINCTION between the secular and religious (NOT separation). That means there is no official or state religion even though the players or stakeholders are religious.

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